Conversations with Neale Donald Walsch
"The Divine always declares itself as divine, and nothing else."
Tabitha: Neale, your books became New York Times best sellers, Right?
Neale: Yes, every book in the Conversations with God trilogy has made the best seller list.
Tabitha: Why do you think people are so attracted to your books?
Neale: Because people recognize truth. There is a deep awareness in all of us of what is so. There is a deep awareness in all of us of what is, period. With a capital I, of what Is. And when we encounter what Is in it's pure form, whether it’s in a form of a beautiful melody, for instance, at a symphony concert, or an incredible lyric line in a song by Kenny Loggins, or of a grand truth in the words of Thomas Jefferson, or of right action by simply watching someone who is being wonderfully compassionate and/or extraordinarily heroic -- whenever human beings experience or witness any of those things, human beings simply nod quietly inside of themselves and gently agree this is what Is, this is what's So, this is what's True.
And human beings tend to gravitate toward that, to agree with that. They have done that with these books.
Tabitha: What part of your books hit home with you the most...on a personal level?
Neale: All parts. It's very difficult for me to say "this" rather than "that"...to say the most as opposed to the least…because that requires me to somehow try to quantify the benefit, or the impact, of one sentence over another. And really, for me it was the whole experience...it was the entire message. I find it very difficult out of 800+ published pages of extraordinary wisdom between the three of them, to pick out one or two things that impacted me (as you put it) the most.
And I must say I hope that people who chose to expose themselves to the material would also resist the temptation to single out a particular line or paragraph, or a particular statement or passage, in the books either for positive or negative response. That would be a very unfortunate decision and choice to make. I would hope that people would read and absorb the material in its entirety, all of the pages from beginning to end in each book, and then come to an experience of that material, and choose whether they feel positively or negatively about it.
What's happening now is that sometimes book or literary critics are wanting to take an individual line or passage from one of these books and comment on it as if it stood alone, and, of course, one could ridicule, or make fun of, or reduce to absurdity, almost any comment or passage from any document...even the Bible...when it's taken out of context, as all lovers of Truth know.
So, I resist the temptation to take out of context, either for positive or negative reaction, a particular passage or statement. I think the whole body of work is extraordinary, written with enormous clarity, with remarkable answers to very complex questions regarding the human experience.
Tabitha: Have you received any feedback from the religious community commenting on your books?
Neale: Not really. Not in any formal sense. We have received many letters from individuals within the clergy, from people who belong to the religious community, and the huge majority of those letters from individuals have been wonderfully accepting, joyful, congratulatory, and grateful for this material. Only a tiny handful, I'm thinking less than ten, in the past two years have come with a less than positive response. We have received no response at all, formally, from any religious or spiritual organizations that exist on the planet.
Tabitha: Getting back to truth, I think people are always seeking Truth...
Neale: I would rephrase that, if you would allow me to, from my own experience...I think people are truth. I think that what we are at the core of our Being is Truth with a capital T – which is the same as saying Love with a capital L, and Joy with capital J.
Truth, Love, Joy. They are all the same thing.
I think we are Truth. So when you say that people are deeply seeking Truth, I agree, in the sense that people are seeking themselves.
Most human beings are on a headlong search for themselves. We are seeking -- desperately, urgently in some cases -- to know ourselves, to re-discover who we are, to understand ourselves at the deepest level of our being. That is what the search is for. And you describe that as a search for Truth, and you're profoundly correct, because once Truth is found, you find yourself. Because we and Truth are one. We are the truth of it. We are the all of It, but we imagine ourselves to be somehow to be less that all of it, and somehow less than Ultimate Truth.
In our misunderstanding and misconception with regard to ourselves we have, if I may use the phrase, lost our way, and so we are trying to find that path back home. It is a search for Truth, and yet the word Truth and the word I are synonymous to me. I am the Truth. And every person of deep spiritual awareness has made the same statement: "I am the Truth." One of them said, "I am the way and the life." All great spiritual teachers, and all those who are spiritually self-realized, utter those statements from time to time. It begins to sound blasphemous to those people who are not spiritually aware. But anyone who is spiritually aware deeply understands the correctness of such a statement, and would never dispute it.
Tabitha: Oftentimes when we enter into communication with the Divine/Spirit, it tends to be a non-verbal or symbolic form of communication when transmitted, and then we try to translate it into our verbal language. How does that affect what you have written? Do you have a hard time converting the messages you receive into a written form?
Neale: Well, the first book makes a point that words are the least reliable form of communication. Yet, having said that, and acknowledging the fact that all of us at this time in our evolution are limited to words as our main source of communication, and that it is a great limitation...I believe that we will evolve much sooner than we think into a race of beings where words will be used less and less as our form of communication, and we will begin to communicate with everything but words – with thought, with feelings, a look or glance. There are beings in the universe right now who communicate that way, and rarely, if ever, use verbal utterances.
Nevertheless, since we are at this present stage of evolution, limited to this rather primal form of communication, uttering noises that we say mean something, then we can at least seek to utter them with some degree of eloquence. The answer to your question within that framework, within the context that I've just created, is that I find it rather easy to use words, and I find it rather easy to receive and transcribe the messages of the Divine in verbal form.
Indeed, if one comment has been made about these books more than any other, it is that they have been brought through with an enormous amount of accessibility. That is, the words have been made easy to read and easy to understand, and anyone, even those without a deep spiritual background, can pick up these books and understand their eternal wisdoms.
So I find it rather easy when I am interacting with the Divine at a Divine level to find the right words, and to use them appropriately, easily and fluently in the announcement of wisdom and truth.
Tabitha: How do manage to keep your own biases from the dialogue?
Neale: I don't. I am biased in favor of God and am biased in favor of Love. And I am deeply biased toward the truth of our Oneness. I am biased in favor of all the great wisdoms that flow through me. I don't even attempt to remove my biases from my experience of what's flowing through me. I am biased in favor of all those things, and I don't attempt to pretend otherwise.
Tabitha: Why did you choose the name God, when there are so many other names that you could have chosen, such as The Creator, Goddess, etc.?
Neale: The word God is the word that is currently acceptable to the largest number of people in the area of the planet where my message has been designed to be heard.
Inside the book the words "he" and "she" are used interchangeably throughout the text. They are used interchangeably when the book refers to the Divine, or Deity. I'm certain that this grammatical convention has been adopted so that the reader can clearly understand that God is not gender specific.
The word God was used in the title because in the Western hemisphere and among English speaking people in the world it is the word that most people have the highest level of agreement with. It is the name they have given to The Divine.
Tabitha: Do you have any fears that your books will become "the Bible of the future", the next "word of God" that people live by, or a new religion, per se?
Neale: Well, that's a three part question. I would hope, rather than fear, that the books would live for 50 years and stand as the latest and clearest (so far) message of the Divine. I would hope that they become...if I may use this term…classic spiritual literature...and be referred to time and time again, over decades, and maybe centuries. That would be my greatest hope.
And now you ask if I have a fear that all of this would turn into a religion. I would say it does not benefit the human race for anything to turn into a religion... these books or anything else. Religion is simply a description of a certain kind of organization or belief which we have constructed within the human reality that frequently has little or nothing to do with The Divine. So I would hope that no one would ever take this material and turn it into a religion, but simply use it as a reference point...one of many thousands...which Deity has placed in our experience, and through which we might find our way.
Tabitha: In closing, for people looking to find this connection with God that you're speaking of, how would you suggest they go about doing It? What would be the practical uses of your book in people's everyday Lives?
Neale: Well, in fact, I've written what we have called the "Guidebook to Conversations God-Book One", and it answers that question rather specifically. It explores Book One, which sets the philosophical basis for the trilogy, chapter by chapter, and concept by concept. It provides a deep experience for people who choose to explore the material at the next higher level, and to render it functional in their lives. That book contains exercises, assignments, and questions and processes...practical, hands-on, tools that one might use to bring the wisdom of CWG into one’s life in a functional way.
If I were to stand outside the Guidebook and answer that question...I would say this. The process by which everyone may get in touch with their own understanding of Deity, and call forth the greatest wisdoms of the universe in their own daily experience, begins with step one...which is the acceptance of the possibility that such a thing could happen.
Actually, there is a short, three-step process that I share with people when they ask me the question that you’ve asked me...How can the average person have this experience?
First, as I started to say, you must agree that it is possible to have it. Now that might seem like a ridiculous thing for me to say, or even simplistically naive, and yet I can tell you that if a person is saying "No, it's just not possible, nobody can talk to God, nobody can communicate with Deity. That's simply not possible in our experience" – then obviously it's not going to happen. And so this first of the three steps is very important: to acknowledge the possibility that such a thing could occur.
The second step is to desire it...to simply choose to have such an experience. From our deepest desires spring our deepest experiences. That's true regardless of what we are talking about – whether we're talking about communing with The Divine, or discussing any other aspect of our life here in the physical body. There's no "right" way to get to such a place of desire. One knows in one's own heart whether the desire is there.
One tool I know of would be to get quiet with oneself and provide the space for that communication to occur. Some people spend days, weeks, months and years without devoting an hour, other than sleeping moments, to just quiet time. To some it's almost impossible to imagine sitting quietly for an hour, with no one in the room, nothing going on, no telephone, no distractions – doing nothing at all for a full hour, a blessed 60 minutes. And yet if the average person would give themselves one hour a day (one hour a week would be a wonderful start) of absolute silence, just "being," they would discover very quickly that such a tool, amazingly simple, available to everyone, costing nothing, can be very effective in opening up a pathway to The Divine.
And the third and last step is to acknowledge that you have already had the experience of communicating with God, and simply were not aware of it.
Notice that all masters experience their mastery, all people who are clear teachers experience the clarity of their teachings, and all people who commune with The Divine experience that they have done so, by announcing and declaring, becoming and fulfilling, expressing and demonstrating that that is their truth.
So even as I speak to you, I notice that my awareness of the wisdoms that flow through me increase, because I have full confidence that what I'm saying to you is coming from a place of deep wisdom within me as a result of the communications I have already received.
Step three, then, is to move into life with some degree of spiritual arrogance. If we didn't hold Christ, or the Buddha or Krishna with such reverence, we would have to admit that they what they did and what they said and how they acted was enormously spiritually arrogant. Imagine walking down the street saying "I am the son of God", "I am one with the divine", "I am the life and the way, follow me." Now when people do that today we have one of two reactions. We either accept and revere them, or we say they acting spiritually arrogant and reject them. This usually depends on whether we agree with what they are saying. If we disagree, we declare they are instruments of the Devil, Satan, everything else but The Divine. Yet The Divine always declares itself as divine, and nothing else. The grandest healing tool for all humans would be for us all to wake up tomorrow morning and to say, "I am Divine!"
Tabitha: So more of a spiritual confidence than an arrogance...
Neale: I think those two terms are interchangeable. I think that Christ was extraordinarily spiritually arrogant...(Neale chuckles here)...and there is a beauty to that. Not in the negative sense, but in the sense of it being enormously courageous, and coming from deep conviction. I join the spiritual leaders in spiritual arrogance in saying that these words I have received in these books are important, and it would do us well to pay attention to them.
Tabitha: Well, thank you for your time, and I look forward to attending one of your workshops.
Neale: You’re very welcome.
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